IMDB的评分大部分是合理的。
点开下面的评论,从评分合理的,和看起来是外国人的评论里面摘取一些客观的评论。加粗部分是我自己的看法。
评论大约如下:
1。I'm just going to be blunt here: The main characters suck. The main protagonists, a brother and a sister, are depthless and one dimensional. The sister literally spends 90% of her lines crying or shouting for someone to save her. The brother is arrogant and apparently a "genius", yet seems to have no redeeming qualities. Overall, the story and CGI are decent, but the characters leave much to be desired.
我就直言不讳了。主要角色很糟糕。主角兄妹角色扁平没有深度。妹妹花了90%的时间哭喊求救,哥哥很自大很“天才”,但是似乎没有可以效仿的品质。总得来说故事和CG都不错,但是角色离期望还差的远。
2。ID为Themadmovieman的影评人,IMDB上长影评162篇,相对客观。我们来看看他的看法。
Having raked in over $600m at the box office, The Wandering Earth is yet another massive blockbuster from China. However, like so many enormous Chinese blockbusters in recent years, it's all style and no substance, with excessive emphasis on special effects and incoherent fantasy that really impedes any attempts to craft a more elegant or majestic space opera.
And that's where I want to start, because from the beginning of this movie, you'll likely be reminded of a number of other films that go about telling sci-fi stories in a rather different way. The Wandering Earth is based on a novel of its own, so it's not in any way a Chinese remake, but the premise and key ideas explored in the film, particularly in the opening act, are hugely reminiscent of both Christopher Nolan's Interstellar and Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Now, both Interstellar and 2001 are absolute masterpieces of modern sci-fi, because they tell a fantasy story with a stunning sense of grandeur and majesty that can't be achieved in any other genre. In that, while both movies have a plot and characters of their own, it's almost as if space itself is their main component, with astonishing visual effects playing into an eye-opening and almost spiritual depiction of the final frontier.
The Wandering Earth, on the other hand, takes a far more simplistic and unfortunately dull approach to telling a sci-fi story. It does have the special effects to dazzle (although I talk more about that in a moment), but it feels so much more like a formulaic space adventure movie, rather than the majestic space opera that it's so desperately trying to be.
Its opening sequence depicts the ever-intensifying threat of celestial destruction, and throughout, the film relates personal difficulties and tragedies in tandem with the danger of space travel and colonisation. And yet, while all of those ingredients make the film ripe for the sort of emotionally hard-hitting and elegant watch that is a great space opera, it's all overwhelmed by its more basic blockbuster tendencies.
In that, the film's quartet of young leads takes a little of the grandeur out of the story, bringing it closer to something reminiscent of the YA genre, while the special effects are often totally over the top, with an excessively brash and chaotic depiction of the dangers and threats present in space, something that really isn't necessary, as proved by better films such as Interstellar and Gravity.
On top of that, its near future setting, although only in the late 2050s, feels light years away from the present we know today. Unlike Interstellar, whose near future is almost identical to the present day, The Wandering Earth is full of fantasy and sci-fi gibberish about the Earth of the future that's both fairly incomprehensible and difficult to relate to, further taking away from your ability to emotionally engross yourself in the story and feel the real power of what this story has to offer.
And I say that because, despite not thinking much of the movie, there are moments where the film really tries hard to be something more majestic and elegant than just another space adventure. Its fantasy and excessive special effects often make it feel more like Jupiter Ascending than Interstellar, but there are a few moments of emotional intrigue and pathos that do indicate its intentions, and briefly provide an engrossing and impressive respite from an otherwise both chaotic and formulaic movie.
Overall, then, I wasn't particularly taken by The Wandering Earth. Its ambition is clear from the start, and with a premise that's reminiscent of real greats of modern sci-fi, it should have been an elegant, moving and majestic watch. However, with a generic plot that's far heavier on brash special effects, fantasy mumbo jumbo and chaotic action, it really misses the mark when delivering a sci-fi that's a little more special to the normal fare.
太长了,我总结一下。
票房上获得巨大成功。但是今年的中国大片都是一个风格,而缺乏实质。但是过度强调特效和不在一个体系内的幻想,阻碍了更优秀的太空歌剧尝试和发展。流浪地球是建立在小说上而非架空的,它在某些思想内核让人跟诺兰和库布里克产生联想。但是诺兰和库布里克的结构上,拥有好的剧情和人物角色,太空元素自然的成为电影的组成部分,虽然特效和视觉效果让人赞叹,但是终究是对终极的描述。而流浪地球不幸使用了一种简化的沉闷的方式来讲述科幻电影,使它成为一部公式化的太空冒险电影,而不是它本身想成为的太空史诗。
3。Moving earth like a space ship is so dumb! 1) An asteroid that hits the earth and kills all the dinosaurs, didn't budge the earth from it's orbit. 2) The moon creation even that suggests that 4.5b years ago an object the size of Mars collided with the earth to create the moon. Yet it didn't budge the earth from it's orbit around the Sun. 3) The Mass of the earth is 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. the force required to move that object 1meter per second is Force = Mass * Acceleration. or 6 * 10^24 newtons. So to change the speed of the earth by a nearly useless 1m/s or 2.25 MPH, would require the energy of 142 million megatons of TNT. Over 10,000 times the total amount of all the worlds nuclear weapons. Or in other words if we detonated every single nuke in the world in the same place at the time that would be enough to budge the earth .000225 MPH or 14 inches per hour. 4) Even if there was an energy source that abundant to move the earth to Jupiter much less another star light years away, we would simply not need a star at all. We could just set the earth to a further orbit from the sun, and use all that propulsion energy to substitute for the sun. 5) Lets be ridiculously generous and say the earth could reach Jupiter in 1 year 365,000,000 miles away, that would very roughly equate to a speed of 41,000 mph (which is way faster than the 14" per hour all the nukes in the world could move the earth). To travel to our next nearest star (alpha centauri) is 25 trillion miles away, that would take 70,000 years, or if we used the 14" per hour speed it would take 17,580 billion earth years. 6) The Hiroshima nuclear blast was 20ktons of TNT. So imagine what 700,000 of those would do to the surface and atmosphere of the Earth. And that's to move 14" an hour.
这是对电影科幻设定的一些吐槽。虽然我不认为科幻一定要符合科学,但是一些大设定上的离谱确实会难以让人产生代入感。不过非要拿流浪地球和库布里克来比较,我认为无论是对流浪地球还是太空漫游而言都是不公平的。所以这段我就不说了,好奇宝宝可以机翻。
4。The Wandering Earth is an overly ambitious, laughably implausible, thoroughly confusing, clumsily edited mess. The plot runs amok with too many hollow characters making stupid decisions without reason. Action sequences were so badly shot and edited it was hard to figure out what was going on. The CGI varied from passable to worse than a 90's video game. Acting was stilted and expressionless. Dialog was rambling and inefficient with an overuse of weird computer voices to explain what was going on. By the end I couldn't care less about the characters and fell sleep. The filmmaker's intention to build a sci-fi epic were noble but lacked the budget, talent and experience to pull it off.
这段激烈了一些,但是他的观点值得一读。
电影整体比较混乱。太多的情节,空心人物做出了没有理由的愚蠢决定。演员表演令人沮丧,没有表情,漫无目的的对话太多,台词效率低,过于依赖违和的计算机声音来解释发生了什么(台词过多过杂是国产电影里面的一个大毛病,在戏剧结构上,剧情的推动最好是用表演和行为,其次才是台词,用旁白是最迫不得已的。但是像《新红楼梦》,采用了大段大段旁白的形式来解释剧情,是犯了戏剧结构上的大忌。)到最后导致我对角色已然并不关注。制作方打算做一部科幻巨作是很好的,但是缺乏预算,能力以及经验。
5。Went in with big expectations as a fan of Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem. Have not read Wandering Earth, so can't compare, but perhaps reading it would have made the movie easier to follow. Outside of Wu Jing, the main characters in general were hard to like, especially his son Liu Qi and adopted daughter, Duoduo, both acting like petulant children. Expected high levels of cheesiness, but the jokes fell flat and the emotional tear jerking scenes were milked dry. While you should go into a sci-fi with an open-mind, temporarily suspending reality, this had hole after hole and jumped all over the place. At one point, one of the special force team members suddenly fell on his face - he froze to death for no apparent reason. Kind of summed up the movie. While I am sure the novel is as unique as anything Liu Cixin has written, the movie is a lesser version of Armegeddon, lacking the fun, character building (I know, I am talking about a Michael Bay movie) and star power. Did enjoy seeing a Chinese perspective and wasn't overly nationalistic like Wu Jing's former Wolf Warrior. Living in Shanghai, was also fun seeing the city and the rest of the country highlighted as it fell beneath natural disasters, joining NYC, Paris, London and the rest of the major cities that regularly are destroyed for popcorn munching sake. China continues to head in the right direction when it comes to great movie making and hope it continues. If anything, this has me heading out tomorrow to buy Wandering Earth, the novel.
作为三体迷,对电影寄予厚望。但是除了吴京外,其他的角色很难被喜欢,尤其是儿子和养女,都表现得太幼稚。电影缺乏行为逻辑,也许读过原著才能更理解电影(我想说读了原著就更不理解电影了)很喜欢看到中国人的观点,且不像战狼那么民族主义。这个电影代表中国朝着好的方向进步,希望继续进步,准备明天去买小说来读。
6。1. Background settings have great imagination. Very romantic in some way. (十星) 2. Visual effects is wonderful (and made by Chinese, not easy) (九星) 3. Plot not good. The director didn't handle to tell the story well. Rhythm is weird. Plot is not mind-catching. (五星) 4. Ideas are too narrow. The main roles take family relation more seriously than human survival. And they didn't repect rules. (三星) 5. Emotional expressions not natural. Lines are awkward. Too much 'tear points' but got little touching. (四星)
1,背景设定很有想象力,非常浪漫。10星。2,特效非常棒,完全中国制作,不简单。9星。3,情节不好,导演没有把握好故事,节奏很奇怪,情节不吸引人。5星。4,想法太窄,主要角色把家庭关系放在人类存亡之上,并且他们不尊重规则。3星。(这就是文化差异了,中国文化中家庭确实比人类存亡重要,而规则是用来打破的也从来都是中国文化的逻辑。所以这点实际上是老外还没有习惯中国文化的输出)
注:此处我不得不加以解释。我的意思是说,“以家为重”未必不可以成为一种中国文化的特点。在中国传统文化和历史中,“以国为重”是统治阶级的说辞,或仅在国难时,民族自发觉醒的民族意识。但是“以家为重”才是贯穿历史,维持中华文化传统的根基。
现代文化传播的本质实际上是引起其他群体的效仿,“吸引”的效果是远大于“强推”的,不能站在别人面前强行迫使别人接受一种他国文化。而“以家为重”是有一种特殊的魅力属性的,而且传统的。因此未必不能成为一种文化标识,作为一种符号或价值形态。
在许多末世或灾难题材的作品中,“以家为重”类似的价值观并不少见。如《行尸走肉》,《末日危途》,《2012》,《釜山行》等电影都或多或少强调了这一点。
5,情绪表达不自然,台词很糟糕,太多尴尬的“泪点”。
还有类似的很多评论,客观或不客观。
但是我很少看到有针对中国电影或者意识形态的评论。不是说这部电影因为是中国电影就特别的低看一等,而确实有理由,基于剧情,电影解构,演员表演等方面提出的问题。作为业余的电影专业人士,客观评价《流浪地球》在现阶段很困难,因为意识形态和民族主义在这几年实在越演越烈,大环境如此,写客观的影评等再多也没什么意义,仅限于小圈子内的专业讨论了。
流浪地球无疑是中国电影转变的一个开始,既不是历史的巅峰也不是未来的巅峰。它的某些缺点还有很明显的中国电影通病,在一定程度上代表了中国电影理论的断层。而且更为重要的是,流浪地球虽然是中国电影,但是它的电影结构本身却是不折不扣的好莱坞电影。所以外国观众以好莱坞的价值观去看待流浪地球,也是电影本身造成的。
无论是《战狼》,还是《流浪地球》,这些坊间认为代表了中国电影特色的电影,无论是叙述,还是摄影,故事内核,人物设定都是好莱坞式的内核,换上了中国角色而已。而诸如《红海行动》,《湄公河行动》才是在电影形态上更为中国化的电影。
一个合格的角色,首先要符合人类的基本行为动机和逻辑,然后再赋予人物矛盾,在影片最后矛盾得以化解或激化。一个好的角色,需要在合格的基础上赋予人物矛盾更深层的动机。以达到动机的动机,这样的人物才能一步步深入到内心,多层次,丰满。
比如刘培强儿子。刘启的人物脸谱为什么总是一副拽拽地,觉得老子天下最屌的模样。如果我们认为这个一个“信息”,要折射人物性格,或者成长经历。但是从剧情和人物关系上来看,我们没有找到这幅拽拽的模样来自何处。和刘培强的父子矛盾?还是韩子昂的教育方式?如果我们认为这是一个“性格优点”,那么我们并未从电影里看到该“优点”对人物的帮助,相反,我们看到了许多比刘启人格优秀的人并不是拽拽的模样。如果我们认为这个是“性格缺点”,但是到影片结尾,我们只能看到刘启比以前更拽了。所以,这个性格既不是“信息”,也不是“优点”,也不是“缺点”,那么在戏剧结构上,这就属于多余的信息。而且这个多余的信息还相当的抢眼,甚至成为了主角的一个人物逻辑上的bug。
当然,我只是打个比方,不止流浪地球有这个问题,许多电影都有这个问题。但是要成为一部优秀的电影,剧本上戏剧结构和形态上是不能有这样的错误的。
电影在当代对中国有两个意义,一是电影作为一个现代的独立的,综合性的艺术门类,在推动文化发展上有极大的价值和意义。二是电影作为受众最广的艺术门类,天然有文化传播的使命。而第二点对于当代中国而言是最重要的。但是这就牵扯到,我国近代的文化传播方式和理念出现的一些问题,此处就不展开了。
流浪地球热度高峰已经过去了,现在再说点客观的评价也不算蹭热度或者被口水淹死。中国电影并非是从零点起步,在00年代之前已经有大量优秀的国产电影,所以不要觉得是流浪地球开启了中国电影道路似的,最多是类型片的一次突破和对商业电影路线的纠正。
中国有好电影,也有好电影人。如果一部《流浪地球》都要粉红一把,经不起批评,那所谓的自信到底是在骗谁呢?
如果有外国人批评《霸王别姬》是一部烂片烂剧本,我们轻蔑一笑根本不屑于与之讨论,那叫自信。发动爱国主义粉红的舆论力量,嚷着阶级敌人,帝国主义。我看不出自信在什么地方。
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《流浪地球》也有自己的意义。那就是它作为国产电影,制作的精良程度超乎了所有人的预期。预算不足的情况下仍然做出了很好的特效,中国风格浓厚的硬科幻。
纵然我国观众对国产电影的预期比较低,但是《流浪地球》团队以外的团队仍然没能达到这个预期。
所以《流浪地球》的出现也是提高了国产电影制作水平的标准。这点上具有十分积极的意义。 |