净水器的误区 - 不要再无脑吹 RO 了

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iidodo 发表于 2023-8-14 22:54:38|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
一直在知乎潜水,从没任何欲望自己主动写小作文,但今天看各种净水器的文章,尤其看到有宝妈吹爆 RO (反渗透)净水器,我实在是忍不住了。
声明一,这里不作任何净水器推荐。这里只是希望大家不要迷信“纯净水”。
声明二,不反对净水器,以中国的水质,自来水不做处理直接饮用,还是有点玄。
水作为人体所需的自然资源,是含有人体所必需的有益矿物质的,且是其他食物资源无法补充的。所以并不是说,烧开水,壶底有水垢就是水不好。人的身体是需要这些矿物质的。如果用了一两个月的烧水壶,里面一点水垢都没有,你才需要担心,大大的担心!
RO 技术最早是在缺少淡水,或极端硬水的地方 (参见 TDS,  total dissolvable solids )采用的产水方式,真不是给普通大众用的。
早些年,(≫10年),在美国,也有一段流行RO, 出了不少吹爆 RO 的专业文章。但大家要知道,这是美国科技公司的管用营销手段,这些公司的科研部门的一部分工作就是写专业文章为自己的产品找到科学根据。但问题是,大众或媒体看到的只是这些人家要推的文章的内容,其实在真正的专业领域,还有好多其他的讨论,比如文章是否只分析了一部分数据,得出了基于不完整数据的部分判断,还需要更系统长期的研究,产生更全面的结论等。RO 早期的吹捧就源于此。
现实是,在美国,除非是特殊需求,绝大多数人不会单独使用 RO 纯净水,或其他形式的桶装 “纯净水” “蒸馏水” (是的,超市里有卖蒸馏水)。注意这种纯净水就是那种里面  TDS 趋近于零,大家追求的煮水无水垢的水。因为有益的矿物质都没了。儿科医生也会叮嘱不要用 RO, 还会根据孩子所在地的自来水厂,酌情考虑添加个别 TDS. 前面说“单独”饮用是说,讲究的人,还是用 RO, 但人家后面还要用矿物质添加器,把矿物质加回去啊。加回去以后,煮水会有水垢哦。但这种人工添加也不是很理想,不全面。
另一个现实是,关于长期饮用 RO 水对身体损害的文章,不要太多。长期是指>3个月,或更短。。。下面我贴一小段,懒得翻译了。有兴趣的可以上网翻翻。

Dangers of Reverse Osmosis (RO) water


Dangers of Reverse osmosis (RO) water
Consuming reverse osmosis (RO) water for even a few months can create serious side effects, warns WHO.
It has been scientifically confirmed that drinking reverse osmosis water causes more bodily harm and faster than most contaminants found in tap water.
Reverse Osmosis (RO) systems to purify water are in use extensively. Besides the aqua companies that market RO water personal water purifiers are also preferred by many households. RO system off course removes water impurities. But they also remove 92-99% of beneficial calcium and magnesium!
After analysing hundreds of scientific studies concerning RO water, the World Health Organization states that such water has a DeFinite adverse influence on the animal and human organism.
Side effects, even after just a few months
What is alarming is the fact that consuming RO water for even just a few months can create serious side effects.Czech and Slovak populations who used reverse osmosis water developed various health complaints suggestive of acute magnesium (and possibly calcium) deficiency within several weeks or months. Among the complaints were cardiovascular disorders, tiredness, weakness or muscular cramps.
Dietary minerals do not compensate the lack of minerals in RO water
RO water which doesn’t contain enough minerals, when consumed, leaches minerals from the body. This means that the minerals being consumed in food and vitamins are being urinated away. Less minerals consumed plus more minerals being excreted causes serious negative side effects and big health problems. In a scientific study performed to see if minerals consumed in food can make up for the lack of minerals in RO water, scientists concluded that reduced mineral intake from water was not compensated by their diets. Low-mineral water was responsible for an increased elimination of minerals from the body.
Negative effect on homeostasis mechanisms
Consumption of RO water leads to the dilution of the electrolytes dissolved in the body water. Inadequate body water redistribution between compartments may compromise the function of vital organs. Side effects at the very beginning of this condition include tiredness, weakness and headache; more severe symptoms are muscular cramps and impaired heart rate.  Long-term consumption of acidic filtered water devoid of essential elements produced by RO filters is unhealthy.
Risk factor for many diseases
Recent studies suggest that RO water may be a risk factor for hypertension and coronary heart disease, gastric and duodenal ulcers, chronic gastritis, goitre, pregnancy complications and several complications in new-borns and infants, including jaundice, anaemia, fractures and growth disorders.
Use of RO water for cooking causes substantial losses of all essential elements
When used for cooking, RO water was found to cause substantial losses of all essential elements from food (vegetables, meat, cereals). Such losses may reach up to 60 % for magnesium and calcium or even more for some other micro-elements (e.g., copper 66 %, manganese 70 %, cobalt 86 %). In contrast, when mineralized water is used for cooking, the loss of these elements is much lower, and in some cases, even higher calcium content was reported in food as a result of cooking.
Addition of minerals to remineralise the RO water will not be optimum
According to the World Health Organization the practice of adding minerals back into the reverse osmosis water could not be considered optimum, since the water does not contain all of its beneficial components. In the case of borderline deficiency of a given element, even the relatively low intake of the element with drinking water may play a relevant protective role. It is practically impossible to recreate natural water with all of its minerals and trace elements from RO treated water.
Recent recommendations
More recent studies have provided additional information about minimum and optimum levels of minerals that should be available in demineralised water.
Magnesium- a minimum of 10 mg/L and an optimum of about 20-30 mg/L
Ccalcium- a minimum of 20 mg/L and an optimum of about 50 (40-80) mg/L
Total water hardness- the sum of calcium and magnesium should be 2 to 4 mmol/L
At these concentrations, minimum or no adverse health effects were observed.
Besides the adverse effects described above RO systems also waste 70-80 per cent of water during filtration. This ‘reject’ water is saline as it has a higher concentration of chemical contaminants and is of no use for any other purpose.
Alternative to RO systems
Boiling
Proper boiling must be ensured. Let the water steam and churn for a couple of minutes. However, the chemical contamination present in water is not completely eliminated by boiling. Furthermore, boiling may not always be possible anytime in any situation due to lack of heat source or shortage of fuel or electricity.
Chlorine
Pour four drops of liquid bleach in one liter of water; 8 drops in per half gallon; and 16 drops in per gallon of water.  Let it rest for at least half an hour to make the water drinkable. Excessive chlorine can be dangerous to health and must maintain some caution.
Iodine
Pour 5 drops of iodine in per liter of clean water. Add some extra few drops if the water is cloudy. Let it rest for at least half an hour before it is Suitable to drink. Iodine is more effective if the water temperature is more than 21 degrees Celsius. However, iodine does not kill all 100% of the pathogens present in water.

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songxiao530 发表于 2023-8-14 22:54:45|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
总结一下,终端客户家里,水质确实存在一些问题,导致龙头出水不能直接饮用,即使加热也只是单纯杀菌。那么这个时候可以选择一台净水机来解决家用饮水问题。净水技术目前超滤和反渗透应该是两大主流水处理方式。超滤,可以制出所谓的含矿物质的水。反渗透,可以制出所谓的纯净水。两者主要区别在于精度上,超滤0.01微米,反渗透0.0001微米。那么介于这两个精度之间的,存在于水中的物质是什么呢-----可溶性的离子,也就是吹上天的人体无法从食物中获取的矿物质。(我现在特别好奇水中有什么东西,是从食物中摄取不了的,因为我们吃的食物大部分都离不开水,都是通过水的参与而成长成熟的)现在中国为什么要用ro?请问铁离子是对人体好还是不好的?我们人体里含有少量的铅离子,那我们需要补充吗?在药理领域,有一句话,不说计量谈毒性都是耍流氓[飙泪笑][飙泪笑]。ro反渗透得到的水不能说是最理想的水质,但是绝对是最安全的。换句话说,如果你,觉得你们当地没有可溶性离子,也就是重金属,抗生素,农药残留,化工污染之类的水污染,那么,在饮水安全角度,可以不选择反渗透,选择超滤就可以满足。(反渗透的口感会更好一些)比如,你家住在阿尔卑斯山下,你可以选择超滤+紫外线杀菌达到直饮效果,但是阿尔卑斯山上建了一个电池厂,你可能就需要用到反渗透+反渗透来处理。无论什么水处理技术,没有绝对性,都是解决水污染的工具而已。运动鞋和皮鞋,能明白吗?不同场合用不同技术。最后的最后,说水里矿物质的那些人。别整天矿物质,你倒是把矿物质是哪些东西,分别多少含量说出来呀!我看我最近缺不缺,再酌情看看我应该饮补多少吨矿物质水。简直无稽之谈!
nanfeng_zn 发表于 2023-8-14 22:55:11|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
我去饭店吃饭,点了一荤一素两个菜,就够了。就在这个时候经理过来说要给我送个凉菜,但是凉菜呢是昨天的[飙泪笑]你说我要不要送的这个凉菜呢?我还是解释一下,本来反渗透提供了安全的水给我们,就足够了,但是现在有一群人跳出来说矿物质,如果有,可以呀,反正量也不大,如果没有,也无所谓。但是现在你送的这个玩意儿还不稳定,还不确定,还未知。那我觉得,那我情愿还是不要这个了。至于那些说可以保留有益的矿物质,去除有害的矿物质的人。你告诉我你是怎么让净水机可以判断近期什么矿物质对我来说是好还是坏?[好奇]简直无稽之谈!!
仙履奇缘 发表于 2023-8-14 22:55:41|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
靠水补充矿物质你觉得可能吗?你怎么保证水里一定有你要的矿物质。你平时吃一碗饭就没矿物质了?
duanlihua 发表于 2023-8-14 22:56:23|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
而且,没有什么一杯水的矿物质不是一碗饭不能补的[机智]
zhanhua999 发表于 2023-8-14 22:56:38|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
靠水补充矿物质?这心得有多大?
magenet 发表于 2023-8-14 22:56:49|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
太搞笑了,外媒和外网社区远比国内反智,米国前任总统还说喝消毒水抗新冠病毒,你喝吗?知网也好,国外期刊也好,没人说ro净水有害健康的,不然这些东西早被锤死了这年头还扯喝水补矿物质的,是坏还是o,还是又坏又o?
scrollll 发表于 2023-8-14 22:57:02|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
最近也在纠结净水器,感觉水只是一方面,食物里的重金属更多,所以也没必要纠结超滤还是RO了,随便滤滤喝不死人就可以了。。。。
dxl0812 发表于 2023-8-14 22:57:08|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
你找地方玩去
-virus- 发表于 2023-8-14 22:57:40|来自:北京 | 显示全部楼层
依靠水补充那点矿物质?确定不是搞笑的?
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